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Terrex 2 30T

Terrex 3 35T

看看新加坡你相信這是同一台車型這台還可以下海

新加坡已經把原廠吃掉啊好像有跟以色列合作不知道是不是同一家

新加坡跑到美國跟澳洲投標

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrex_ICV

The Singapore Armed Forces will acquire at least 135 Terrex ICVs to replace its V-200 armoured vehicles, with all active Infantry and Guards battalions to begin training to operate from the vehicle in February 2010.[5] The Second Battalion, Singapore Infantry Regiment, recently acquired the Terrex as part of its shift into a motorised infantry battalion.[6] The Indonesian Army has plans to purchase 420 units and has also expressed intent to produce the Terrex locally under license. Turkish automaker Otokar has also joined with ST Kinetics to produce the Terrex AV-82 (renamed Yavuz) for the Turkish Armed Forces.

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Terrex 2: MPC/ACV
In August 2012, the U.S. Marine Corps awarded SAIC a developmental contract for the Terrex for the Marine Personnel Carrier program.[9]

On 18 July 2013, SAIC, along with ST Kinetics and Armatec Survivability Corporation, successfully completed two weeks of evaluations of the Terrex at Camp Pendleton. The tests included a series of water performance demonstrations in various sea conditions and an evaluation of human factors and stowage capacity. The Terrex completed all required surf transit and ocean swim maneuverability tests at its fully loaded combat weight. It demonstrated load capabilities through successful stowage of gear and supplies that Marines would require for three days of operations, with space available for additional equipment. The human factors evaluation demonstrated the spacious interior by accommodating the specified number of combat-equipped Marines and enabling rapid tactical and emergency egress through a quick-release hatch. The Terrex repeated ocean swim and maneuverability results were achieved in a March 2013 rehearsal event. SAIC began ballistic and blast tests at the Nevada Automotive Test Center in May 2013, and was scheduled to complete all ballistic and mine blast demonstrations in July.[10]

The Marine Personnel Carrier was put on hold in June 2013,[11] restarted in February 2014,[12] and then restructured as Phase 1 of the Amphibious Combat Vehicle (ACV) program,[13] which includes the previous MPC competitor entries.[14]

On 24 November 2015, the Marines selected the SAIC Terrex, along with the BAE Systems/Iveco SuperAV, to move on to the engineering and manufacturing development phase of the ACV 1.1 program. SAIC was awarded a $121.5 million contract to build 16 vehicles by late 2016 for testing. The Terrex submitted for the ACV program, called the Terrex 2, was designed to enhance situational awareness, with the troop commander's station equipped with a screen covering all aspects outside the vehicle, also visible to the squad to enable them to see what they would be exiting to. The driver’s station was equipped with several screens with obstacle avoidance, situational awareness sensor feeds, and other features. Although the Terrex is specialised in ground operations, it also meets the minimum requirements for safe sea operation. The Terrex has a V-over-V hull that creates a crush zone to reduce the impact of a blast on the floor; this creates a spacious interior. Footrests attached to seats across the aisle keep the Marines' feet from absorbing blast energy. The vehicle uses a central tire inflation system, can swim 7 mph (11 km/h; 6.1 kn) in water, and has excess buoyancy of 23 percent. It weighs 32.5 tons (65,000 lb (29,000 kg)), carries three crew and 11 embarked Marines, and can reach 55 mph (89 km/h) on paved roads.[15][16][17][18]

In June 2018, the Marine Corps selected BAE Systems for the ACV program.[19]

Terrex 3: Australian Army: LAND 400 Program
Referred in Australia as the Sentinel 2, it was specially developed to meet the Australian Army requirement for an armored reconnaissance vehicle by further developing the Terrex 2. It is better protected and carries a much more powerful armament as compared to the Terrex 2 but lacks the amphibious capability due to its 35 tonne weight. Designed with a modular turret the vehicle is operated by a crew of 2 and can carry 11 dismounts.[20] It was outbidded by the Rheinmetall Boxer CRV in early 2018.[21]

哦 20T也能上戰場只不過死的比較快而已如果有人覺得沒差那就算了

對了新加坡已經玩上步兵戰車

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2019-07-06, 09:32 PM #432

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UPveQvOVtY

Terrex 2 30T

Terrex 3 35T

看看新加坡你相信這是同一台車型這台還可以下海

新加坡已經把原廠吃掉啊好像有跟以色列合作不知道是不是同一家

新加坡跑到美國跟澳洲投標

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrex_ICV

The Singapore Armed Forces will acquire at least 135 Terrex ICVs to replace its V-200 armoured vehicles, with all active Infantry and Guards battalions to begin training to operate from the vehicle in February 2010.[5] The Second Battalion, Singapore Infantry Regiment, recently acquired the Terrex as part of its shift into a motorised infantry battalion.[6] The ...

也不看看自己引得文Terrex 3 35T因為重量問題，不具備兩棲能力

步兵戰車?

不就履帶型步兵支援火力嗎?

就通常的前驅裝甲車得機砲型版本

莫名其妙提這個又來轉話題?

你得CM32二代樣車底盤高度問題是怎判斷得還沒講清楚哩

輪式甲車拿去扛一線戰場，看來有誰家得戰車死光就對了，可憐到必須讓步兵支援火力去硬扛戰線，這種打法給在多裝備也是白白消耗掉

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2019-07-06, 10:08 PM #433

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正好相反吧...
台灣海岸防守方相對有更多的隱藏處
更適合伏擊...
而進攻方是一片大海要躲哪？
所以美國才會建議反戰車飛彈多買一些的

這我在前面說過了同樣進行戰車對戰或反甲作戰
台灣這個守勢戰術是相對優於中國入侵部隊攻勢戰術方..

沒錯以地形掩護進行伏擊國軍是佔明顯優勢的.
但早期台灣的裝甲兵教範方向仍偏重大部隊廣大戰場教練..
這與台海防衛戰現狀當然不符....

在我服役時國軍已經在修改這個錯誤的戰術想定開始進行結合步兵教範的住民地作戰..
十幾年過了現在成果如何我就不確定了~

至於台灣陸航隊運用直升機在台灣運用當然優於中國武直最主要差異仍在地形限制
台灣的眼鏡蛇阿帕契在本土作戰利用的地形保護突襲的優勢自然大大優於光天化日
從海上進入台灣陸上的中國武直部隊..

最後反戰車飛彈當然是對抗戰車利器但是它的成功運用仍很依賴訓練與技巧的..
且不能與戰車-步兵結合作戰除非地形絕對有利否則直接對抗戰車會有很大風險..

2019-07-06, 11:34 PM #435

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輪式甲車拿去扛一線戰場，看來有誰家得戰車死光就對了，可憐到必須讓步兵支援火力去硬扛戰線，這種打法給在多裝備也是白白消耗掉

就你國家啊還有誰你國家能動戰車不算A2 有沒有200台可以上還沒打就死得差不多(難道你五毛嘛在哪國啦你)
還一堆人在那邊說甚麼要抱拖式刺針坐雲豹去攤頭打解放軍啊

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怎麼不敢把埃坦(這車也還是原型樣車階段)跟CM32的正面照擺一起比較?
那個根本看不太出離地高差多少

照你的講法以色列現在的運兵車擔當也是警用級別的摟?

因為國防軍預定埃坦是要用來取代現用的M113車的

而且照你35t才夠格上一線戰場的理論，全球現役8輪裝甲車除了德國拳師犬外全員躺槍

怎樣不能嫌
我是嫌他底盤高本身車體就這樣調整是有用再說埃坦又沒打算當105砲車
你到底有沒有搞懂麻煩你去參考一下半人座 16式車身好不好

既然國軍老早就打算上105炮打城鎮戰打攤頭

你台灣就沒大量戰車還不知道拿輪甲來補甲車皮也用厚一點來掩護步兵搞輕型運兵車又運不到幾隻鳥

雲豹一根本是定位失敗中的失敗當警用甲車剛好而已就看他新勉強拿來用二代豹只是補救

運兵人數6人為甚麼同款Terrex可以運到12人難道新加坡圖紙比較貴

既然你都可以把20噸甲車拉上戰場 35頓警用甲車對你來講也是剛好而已有何不妥

還有Terrex 3 35T 是為了投澳洲的標

Terrex 2 30T 就可以兩棲能力是有甚麼好嘴

難不成雲豹只能這樣是比較威

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陸軍以渡河點水深1公尺處為基準，訂定八輪甲車涉渡能力為1公尺的條件，以維護人員與裝備安全。國人自製的二代雲豹上周在河床與野溪上縱橫來去，不受地形與湍流影響，不少在當地目擊的民眾與砂石業者都稱讚。

難不成這樣比較爽嘛雲豹好雲豹好棒棒雲豹好雲豹好棒棒雲豹好雲豹好棒棒

講完了有比較爽痾

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就你國家啊還有誰你國家能動戰車不算A2 有沒有200台可以上還沒打就死得差不多(難道你五毛嘛在哪國啦你)
還一堆人在那邊說甚麼要抱拖式刺針坐雲豹去攤頭打解放軍啊

怎樣不能嫌
我是嫌他底盤高本身車體就這樣調整是有用再說埃坦又沒打算當105砲車
你到底有沒有搞懂麻煩你去參考一下半人座 16式車身好不好

既然國軍老早就打算上105炮打城鎮戰打攤頭

你台灣就沒大量戰車還不知道拿輪甲來補甲車皮也用厚一點來掩護步兵搞輕型運兵車又運不到幾隻鳥

雲豹一根本是定位失敗中的失敗當警用甲車剛好而已就看他新勉強拿來用二代豹只是補救

運兵人數6人為甚麼同款Terrex可以運到12人難道新加坡圖紙比較貴

既然你都可以把20噸甲車拉上戰場 35頓警用甲車對你來講也是剛好而已有何不妥

還有Terrex 3 35T 是為了投澳洲的標

Terrex 2 30T 就可以兩棲能力是有甚麼好嘴
...

先嘴兩棲得不就是你?....

還我國家哩(演不下去了嗎?)

台灣這麼小還手上持有上千輛戰車這叫不夠多啊(筆記筆記...)

如果你覺得我們能打能動得戰車不夠多那等你們想上岸時再來領教看看，謝謝~

M60A3(是A3不是A2)就主戰力最多得數量，還不讓算入數量，疵...

還有你看來沒搞清楚CM32得搭載人員配置那只是座椅配合建置班人數的問題，不然要多多載2員不是問題，後來二代樣式用得是非吊籃式得武器站，裏頭空間會更大，要不要多配置只是看需求而已

最後那張照片別搞笑拉，拿樣車在溪流試涉水能力得照片講浮渡你一定是累了?

這兩台樣車都還沒到搭載水推進器做浮渡測試得階段，

你自己引得媒體文寫道"陸軍以渡河點水深1公尺處為基準"

這就是通常測試涉水能力(1~1.2米左右)得基準，跟兩棲浮渡測試完全無關，你真的累了~

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Eitan 30T 戰場存活率大勝雲豹系

Terrex 2 多功能性大勝雲豹系

沒怎樣就這樣而以

花大把的錢國車國造就造出警用裝甲車水平

這兩台都是屬於仍在測試階段或競標求訂單的下一代8輪裝甲車，離正式量產還有段時間嘞

拿未來打現在?

事實是目前國際上已經大量生產服役中的主力8輪裝甲車大都在20t量級附近

連新加坡自己主力也還是Terrex 一代

要警用裝甲車的話拿退役的m113都很夠用了，5083鋁合金裝甲板擋擋手槍甚至步槍彈已足夠，你當是在哪裡的戰亂地區隨時碰的上50機槍掃射不成?

這裡叫台灣，黑道拿衝鋒槍出來亮亮就已經算很氣派了，謝謝~

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xxdmd 停權中加入日期: Nov 2012 文章: 1	Eitan 30T 戰場存活率大勝雲豹系 Terrex 2 多功能性大勝雲豹系沒怎樣就這樣而以花大把的錢國車國造就造出警用裝甲車水平此文章於 2019-07-07 04:56 PM 被 xxdmd 編輯.
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老老濕 Senior Member 加入日期: Feb 2015 文章: 1,446	要比那麼多要不要比照這台好了 https://www.dtmdatabase.com/Upload_...0vs%20aslav.jpg 相比之下食人魚裝甲車也是小朋友跟M1坦克比看看快比M1還大了 https://i2.kknews.cc/SIG=i3ran7/ctp...25077ps400p.jpg 此文章於 2019-07-07 08:23 PM 被老老濕編輯.
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